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Hello John

First of i would like to say, that i love the code 3 rigs, but i have some input i would like to share with you and the fellow collectors.. I know that cities ad chicago, boston, LA, New york is a big seller item. but i would really wish you at code3 would start concentrating on small cities with unique rigs, color schemes, history.. this to get a better diversity in the line up. i am willing to bet my old grandma, that rigs from cities like sycamore township (unique rig) would sell fast. Copper mountain fire department (unique color) wouls also sell fast... small cities with some history good or bad would also sell in my opinion.. also in the old days there where some history about the fire department on the dome casing, that would be highly welcomed again by all collectors.

I know that you as a company has to take notice to costs on the single mold. but my opinion is that all molds will earn their cost. if a rig doesen´t sell to good, just produce the cab as a kitbash item and sell that. then you´ll get a larger program(more customers) and you´ll have a longterm income on each mold for cabs....perhaps one year you´ll sell 10 cabs the next 1000, due to the always growing hobby of kitbashing....

just my take on the things....

I would like to apoligize for the gramma mistakes and bad spelling. im not from an english taking country... but i try....

Let us know john....

Have a great weekend with the wife.....

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Nice summary! What a great way to put everything into one post versus the 100's of posts spread out on the forum. I agree 100%, Mr. Dunkel, small cities exist too, and many men and women protect these cities and they should be recognized also. Thanks!

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Thanx

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Why would ANYONE put a thumbs down on a cmpliment! It proves my point that people gimme thumbs down for no reason, just to be mean! If you have a comment relating to this PM me, don't waste his page with your "comments"! The reason I posted this on the page is so EVERYONE can see it! Thanks, and Sorry Skade!

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I think the real reason you get a thumbs down, is the fact that no matter what you post, you give yourself a thumbs up!
I for one, have noticed that when I am on at the same time as you, (you can tell by looking at "recently on line" there is a green light by the people on at that time), and you have just posted, Like when someone is looking to buy something, and you post "EBAY", and blow me, if you have a thumbs up already, and the only people on is me and you.
And I know I have not given you a thumbs up. It has to be you, Mr Vanity.

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I only give my selfa thumbs up so the post that is meant to help someone won't be hidden. If you guys will STOP giving me 6 thumbs down for telling someone something helpful AND stop doing it for my OPINION then, yes I will stop giving myself a thumbs up, but until then, I'm going to give myself the thumbs up. It's not fair to the person i'm trying to help. I hope this has cleared things up.

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Getting back to the original topic, if we may.....

I wouldn't mind seeing some "small" departments done, but keep in mind that it would have to be the kind of truck that they could get some mileage out of the mold by making other departments' rigs with it as well.

I'm not sure what the number is nowadays, adjusted for inflation, etc., but some time ago we were told that the "break even" number of models they need to sell in order for a model to be profitable was 12,000 pieces.

Now, whether that number is accurate, or if it even still applies, I don't know for a fact. But, that's what we were told. So, at 1500 pieces per run, that averages out to 8 releases. Keep that in mind when suggesting future ideas. Can you find 7-8 other trucks that are "reasonably close" to the subject of your idea which you think might go over well based on either the look of it, or where it's from. Somewhat difficult to do, at times, but not impossible.

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    skadeservice  ...  "if a rig doesen´t sell to good, just produce the cab as a kitbash item and sell that. then you´ll get a larger program(more customers) and you´ll have a longterm income on each mold for cabs...."

 

You have to admit, this is a good idea, with reasonable potential.  Unfortunately this issue has been covered back when it was declared that Code3 would not do "blanks" because someone could put decals on a truck and sell it while infringing on someone else's copywrites...  The example given, if I recall correctly, was....    At a company JD previously worked for, someone bought their blank diecasts and put Coke Graphics on them and sold them as Coke Collectibles.  Since that companies identifiers were on the truck, they were liable because they had deeper pockets than the guy who pulled the scam.

I guess I could see that happening, after all, big bucks were made for spilling hot coffee between some idiots legs (Coffee Is Hot...DUH...).   However, in this case, I really question the rational.  After all, I could buy up a large number of Code3 trucks, wipe off the decals and splatter them with Coke Graphics and sell them as Coke Collectibles.  Just because I don't have deep enough pockets, it doesn't make any sense that Coke could hold Code3 responsible.  If this is truly the case, then Code3 should just stop making replicas all together or find a way to make their replicas self destruct when disassembled (anyone seen the guy who makes those Mission Impossible instruction tapes).  Everytime a kitbasher (model-modifier) works his or her "art" then Code3 is supposedly "at risk". Yell

 

 "The first thing we do," said the character in Shakespeare's Henry VI, is "kill all the lawyers."

 

 

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Getting back to the original topic, if we may.....I wouldn't mind seeing some "small" departments done, but keep in mind that it would have to be the kind of truck that they could get some mileage out of the mold by making other departments' rigs with it as well.

-c3jeeper

I think that's pretty much all we're seeing of late. Look at some of the last two years:

Palm Beach Gardens
Annandale, VA
Allentown, PA
Bedford Park, IL
Hamilton Co., VA
Wichita, KS
Cedar Hill, TX

All small cities and most still sitting on the shelf.

Plus we have these upcoming releases from cities I've never heard of:

Haggerstown, MD
Iona McGregor, FL

I think all we're seeing is smaller cities. (My theory, small cities are a bit uneducated on the whole licensing thing, and Code 3 is laughing all the way to the bank, but I digress)

However, in this case, I really question the rational. After all, I could buy up a large number of Code3 trucks, wipe off the decals and splatter them with Coke Graphics and sell them as Coke Collectibles. Just because I don't have deep enough pockets, it doesn't make any sense that Coke could hold Code3 responsible. If this is truly the case, then Code3 should just stop making replicas all together or find a way to make their replicas self destruct when disassembled

-motorcade1

Any good corporate lawyer is going to get Code 3 off the hook quicker than you can strip the decals off a FDNY Seagrave. When the product leaves the wharehouse, it's fully licensed to be decorated as, say, FDNY. The Seagrave cab is licensed, etc. When a secondary party decides to strip those markings off, put on thier own, and sell them, they do so without Code 3 giving them the ability to so. Blanks would give counterfitters the easy ability to sell unlicensed product.

 

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Wichita, Bedford Park, and Cedar Hill aren't really small cities.

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Wichita, Bedford Park, and Cedar Hill aren't really small cities.

-donmateo

Cedar Hill: Population, 44,422, Area, 35.2 sq mi 

Bedford Park: Population 574, Area, 6.0 sq mi

I'll give you Wichita. Population, 361,420 Area, 138.9 sq mi.

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44,422 isn't small. Small cities are considered population under 10,000. Bedford Park is mostly industrial anyway, most of the workers live in the close vicinity of the city and work in the industrial areas. They're considered medium sized cities that are close to "big" cities. Bedford Park is in Cook County, IL,one of the wealthiest parts of Illinois up with Lake County, which includes Chicago. Cedar Hill is pretty large considering how close it is to other big cities. It's only 16 miles from the heart of Dallas. Bedford Park is only 15 miles from Chicago. Obviously most people aren't gonna wanna live in cities JUST outside the city, they're gonna live in the city. I'm from Glenview, IL, the population is only 42,000 it's farther than Bedford Park. If you have ever been there you know it's actually a VERY "Large" city despite the small area of 13.5 sq. miles.

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I knew you wouldn't admit when you were wrong. You had to have the last word and try to wrangle your way out of being wrong. I don't care is Bedford Park is industrial, borders Chicago, whatever, it's still a geographically small city, and has only 574 residents. Small city.

And 44K is a small city. That's 16,000 less people that Dodger Stadium holds during a sell out. Under 10,000? I can't even find a list of cities under 10,000 people becuase most of them are unicorporated towns. 10,000 is a Madonna concert on a good night. I live in Los Angeles. 5 million people in the county, 17 million in the "greater" region. 44,000 is small.

Where do you come up with this stuff?

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Michigan Stadium, the bighouse, holds a record of 112,000 people! I'm not wrong, small is a relative word. I apologize if what I said sounded like a fact, so here: In my OPINION 10k people is a "small" city.

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How many times did you hit the thumbs down before you checked your MySpace account? This is why there is very few legitimate people left on this board.
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You can only hit it once. And what does myspace have to do with it, I don't even have one. It's pointless for me. Plus, I apologized.

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My mistake, that is sposed to say "he" apologized, I was talking to someone and accidenatally put I.

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I don't know why, but every time this subject comes up ("small" towns), I get a vision in my head of some little podunk backwoods place whose volly department is lucky to crack triple digits on their annual run total, and their apparatus is based on a commercial chassis....or, if it is a custom, it's one of the less-common bodies on either an HME or a low-end Spartan.

Personally, I wouldn't mind a bit if they DID release a Pierce Contender on either a Kenworth or an International chassis. I would like to see that. Others might disagree.

Code 3 has, in the past, released apparatus from "small" towns, and not just the examples cited earlier. Some of it did sell rather well, too. By the same token, they've released a few significant cities that didn't sell much at all. It's hard to gamble as to what will, and what won't go over with the masses from one day to the next, but one thing's for sure.....with the cost of these models today, combined with the cost of living overall, they'd better come up with something pretty special if they want people to fall all over it the way they used to, because "hobby" just doesn't hold a candle to "food on the table" in terms of priorities in many people's lives.

Finally, I know there's only about three people on here who will actually give a shit about my opinion, but this business of giving everything that a certain person writes a "thumbs down" just because you don't like them is really getting OLD in a hurry! It's a good thing the board gives you the option to see a hidden post and decide for yourself, 'cause there's things that got "hidden" before some people even got to see it, and they didn't have to be.

Grow up, people! Don't come crying to me (or anyone) when the board gets shut down again because of this nonsense, 'cause all you'll get is a long and loud chorus of "I told you so!". Go outside and enjoy the nice weather while it lasts, find a second hobby, get a girlfriend....do something. Let the petty BS go!

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It is ridiculous, there must be 40 hidden posts that were OPINIONS. Grow up, this isn't the 1st grade!

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HI again

ohhh he missed this thread the great Jdunk. so up with a new reply, because i find it interesting to see his answer to this.

regardfs

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